whatever you choose. In this scenario there is a minimum of 1 other person as otherwise there is only you and you can't set yourself free of you.
Multiples* may be an exception but even so there is a difficulty of individuals choosing to leave the collective, the collective having a finite physical presence.
As for the singular - I know too much about poly types of varying structures so state it has to be 1-1 relationship.
I did specify long-term and commitment as if you arnt' committed then there is no 'issue' about setting the other(s) free, and long term as the statement seems to suppose that it is some sort of more intense involvement than a weekend love affair - OK, someone might feel intensely involved during a 1 night stand but the quote doesn't quite work on that level.
For me, the word commitment is wrong. It does not fit with me. Commitment sounds like a contract, a business transaction, something that can be broken, something that is somehow forced. I percieve love as beyond this, as more, greater. Love does not make demands, for it is not a choice. Love is to be free. Freedom without isolation, without desolation.
I once thought this was simply me being fantastical. But the more I learn of love, the more this is how love seems to be.
Summed up, rather nicely I find, herein, by Alanis...
I'll give you countless amounts of outright acceptance if you want it. I will give you encouragment to choose the path you want if you need it. You can speak of anger and doubts, your fears and freak-outs and I'll hold it. You can share your so-called "shamefilled" accounts of times in your life and I won't judge it. And there are no strings attached to it.
You owe me nothing for giving the love that I give. You owe me nothing for caring the way that I have. I give you thanks for receiving, it's my privilege, and you owe me nothing in return.
You can ask for space for yourself and only yourself and I'll grant it. You can ask for freedom as well or time to travel and you'll have it. You can ask to live by yourself or love someone else and I'll support it. You can ask for anything you want, anything at all and I'll understand it. And there are no strings attached to it.
You owe me nothing for giving the love that I give. You owe me nothing for caring the way that I have. I give you thanks for receiving, it's my privilege, and you owe me nothing in return.
I bet you're wondering when the next payback shoe will eventually drop. I bet you're wondering when my conditional police will force you to cough up. I bet you're wondering how far you have now danced your way back into debt. This is the only kind of love, as I understand it, that there really is.
You can express your deepest of truths, even if it means I'll lose you and I'll hear it. You can fall into the abyss on your way to your bliss, I'll empathize with. You can say that you'll have to skip town to chase your passion and I'll hear it. You can even hit rock bottom, have a mid-life crisis and I'll hold it. And there are no strings attached.
You owe me nothing for giving the love that I give. You owe me nothing for caring the way that I have. I give you thanks for receiving, it's my privilege, and you owe me nothing in return.
You owe me nothing for giving the love that I give. You owe me nothing for caring the way that I have. I give you thanks for receiving, it's my privilege, and you owe me nothing in return.
I'll give you countless amounts of outright acceptance if you want it. I will give you encouragment to choose the path you want if you need it. You can speak of anger and doubts, your fears and freak-outs and I'll hold it. You can share your so-called "shamefilled" accounts of times in your life and I won't judge it. And there are no strings attached to it.
This to me is a commitment :) It says that I will be there for you. That I will not simply walk away, or ignore you, That you mean something to me above and beyond 'yeah, whatever'.
Not a committment as in Marriage or any form of 'legality' or anything that I demand of you but something that I give to you and that is mine to honour, and hence to set free.
To me the quote is:
You are important to me, I love you and want you but will not cage you. You are free. I shall be here for you if you return, and if you do not return I shall continue to love you and love that you are free and happy without me.
That statement to me is a commitment - it is not a bargin to be kept, a piece of paper to matter, but something to honour.
As the loved one is free, so is the one who loves. Love will set you free! And that is The Truth. I do rather worship Love. Committed to freedom, to choice, to being there because one wants to be. Yes. There is a great power in that. Love. To which I am a canine compaion. X
on the topic, recalls of me my favorite love quote:
1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.
11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.
12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
1 Corinthians 13:1-13
it's from the bible but i maintain the book's got some good bits even if you don't go for the whole thing. i guess i'm a bit of an idealist but i really love that quote and generally believe it.
I too am an idealist. Perhaps. There is often an air of confusion surrounding all I feel, questioning, seeking, badgering me to relinquish everything and crawl away, and another part offering a flaming sword and commanding great feats of courage and valour... So I write poetry. Truth Beauty Freedom Love And above all else Love
I never thought hollywood would offer up such a great concept, but Baz isn't really hollywood.
Oh there are great things written in the strangest places.
And hey you! Text me so I can get your number! Sorry I had to run away, there was a traing thing to catch (or actually not so much as it transpired, but hey)
hey love you must tell me when and where to meet you tomorrow. i'm working on the assumption it will be just after six-ish in london, but that's it. Further instructions?
Hey I can meet you anytime from like now, been given the green light to leave work whenever I want having been ickly. And there being bugger all to do really.Oh, I have to make a phone call. So anytime from in ten minutes. Just let me know where and when you want to be met, and I will. XxX
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However ...
Date: 2004-02-19 01:49 pm (UTC);-)
Re: However ...
Date: 2004-02-19 01:57 pm (UTC)However if you let them go and they still eat your food, mess your house, nag and get underfoot then,
you either married* them
or gave birth to them!
*Insert 'long-term committment' of choice here
Re: However ...
Date: 2004-02-19 02:09 pm (UTC)La!
Singular?
;)
Re: However ...
Date: 2004-02-19 02:22 pm (UTC)Multiples* may be an exception but even so there is a difficulty of individuals choosing to leave the collective, the collective having a finite physical presence.
As for the singular - I know too much about poly types of varying structures so state it has to be 1-1 relationship.
I did specify long-term and commitment as if you arnt' committed then there is no 'issue' about setting the other(s) free, and long term as the statement seems to suppose that it is some sort of more intense involvement than a weekend love affair - OK, someone might feel intensely involved during a 1 night stand but the quote doesn't quite work on that level.
*Multiple = 1 body, multiple identities/personalities.
Re: However ...
Date: 2004-02-19 02:34 pm (UTC)For me, the word commitment is wrong.
It does not fit with me. Commitment sounds like a contract, a business transaction, something that can be broken, something that is somehow forced.
I percieve love as beyond this, as more, greater.
Love does not make demands, for it is not a choice. Love is to be free. Freedom without isolation, without desolation.
I once thought this was simply me being fantastical. But the more I learn of love, the more this is how love seems to be.
Summed up, rather nicely I find, herein, by Alanis...
I'll give you countless amounts of outright acceptance if you want it.
I will give you encouragment to choose the path you want if you need it.
You can speak of anger and doubts, your fears and freak-outs and I'll hold it.
You can share your so-called "shamefilled" accounts of times in your life and I
won't judge it.
And there are no strings attached to it.
You owe me nothing for giving the love that I give.
You owe me nothing for caring the way that I have.
I give you thanks for receiving, it's my privilege,
and you owe me nothing in return.
You can ask for space for yourself and only yourself and I'll grant it.
You can ask for freedom as well or time to travel and you'll have it.
You can ask to live by yourself or love someone else and I'll support it.
You can ask for anything you want, anything at all and I'll understand it.
And there are no strings attached to it.
You owe me nothing for giving the love that I give.
You owe me nothing for caring the way that I have.
I give you thanks for receiving, it's my privilege,
and you owe me nothing in return.
I bet you're wondering when the next payback shoe will eventually drop.
I bet you're wondering when my conditional police will force you to cough up.
I bet you're wondering how far you have now danced your way back into debt.
This is the only kind of love, as I understand it, that there really is.
You can express your deepest of truths, even if it means I'll lose you and I'll
hear it.
You can fall into the abyss on your way to your bliss, I'll empathize with.
You can say that you'll have to skip town to chase your passion and I'll hear
it.
You can even hit rock bottom, have a mid-life crisis and I'll hold it.
And there are no strings attached.
You owe me nothing for giving the love that I give.
You owe me nothing for caring the way that I have.
I give you thanks for receiving, it's my privilege,
and you owe me nothing in return.
You owe me nothing for giving the love that I give.
You owe me nothing for caring the way that I have.
I give you thanks for receiving, it's my privilege,
and you owe me nothing in return.
Re: However ...
Date: 2004-02-19 02:44 pm (UTC)I'll give you countless amounts of outright acceptance if you want it.
I will give you encouragment to choose the path you want if you need it.
You can speak of anger and doubts, your fears and freak-outs and I'll hold it.
You can share your so-called "shamefilled" accounts of times in your life and I
won't judge it.
And there are no strings attached to it.
This to me is a commitment :) It says that I will be there for you. That I will not simply walk away, or ignore you, That you mean something to me above and beyond 'yeah, whatever'.
Not a committment as in Marriage or any form of 'legality' or anything that I demand of you but something that I give to you and that is mine to honour, and hence to set free.
To me the quote is:
You are important to me, I love you and want you but will not cage you. You are free. I shall be here for you if you return, and if you do not return I shall continue to love you and love that you are free and happy without me.
That statement to me is a commitment - it is not a bargin to be kept, a piece of paper to matter, but something to honour.
Re: However ...
Date: 2004-02-19 02:51 pm (UTC)Love will set you free! And that is The Truth.
I do rather worship Love.
Committed to freedom, to choice, to being there because one wants to be. Yes. There is a great power in that.
Love.
To which I am a canine compaion.
X
Re: However ...
Date: 2004-02-19 02:08 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-02-19 01:54 pm (UTC)Re:
Date: 2004-02-19 02:08 pm (UTC):-X
(no subject)
Date: 2004-02-19 02:28 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-02-19 04:05 pm (UTC)1
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
2
If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3
If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
4
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5
It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7
It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
9
For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
10
but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.
11
When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.
12
Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13
And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
1 Corinthians 13:1-13
it's from the bible but i maintain the book's got some good bits even if you don't go for the whole thing. i guess i'm a bit of an idealist but i really love that quote and generally believe it.
Re:
Date: 2004-02-20 02:06 pm (UTC)Perhaps.
There is often an air of confusion surrounding all I feel, questioning, seeking, badgering me to relinquish everything and crawl away, and another part offering a flaming sword and commanding great feats of courage and valour...
So I write poetry.
Truth Beauty Freedom Love
And above all else Love
I never thought hollywood would offer up such a great concept, but Baz isn't really hollywood.
Oh there are great things written in the strangest places.
And hey you! Text me so I can get your number! Sorry I had to run away, there was a traing thing to catch (or actually not so much as it transpired, but hey)
XxX
(no subject)
Date: 2004-02-19 09:04 pm (UTC)you must tell me when and where to meet you tomorrow. i'm working on the assumption it will be just after six-ish in london, but that's it. Further instructions?
Re:
Date: 2004-02-20 02:08 pm (UTC)And there being bugger all to do really.Oh, I have to make a phone call. So anytime from in ten minutes.
Just let me know where and when you want to be met, and I will.
XxX